Is there a kind of rivalry in Italy between north and south ? If yes, why ?

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Dolcetto · Answer

@simonefirullo_ the original meaning of "terrone" is not "people who eat a lot! 😂it comes from the world "terra" (land), related to the fact that southerners worked in the fields using underdevelopment methods to farm.Also some dictionaries state that the etymology is "people who eat dirt/ground", "people who are dark as the dirt/ground" or " people who are from lands where earthquakes are common". ( http://www.accademiadellacrusca.it/it/lingua-italiana/consulenza-linguistica/domande-risposte/arriva-questo-terrone ). 
Anyway it has a derogatory meaning. The northerners are instead called "polentoni" that means "people who eat polenta".

@InTheStars Yes there is a certain level of rivalry but not of the good kind: is not a competition, but instead people mock each other for their origins and there were and is discrimination acts (like recently a southern university student's application for an appartment in a northern city was rejected because she was considered a "terrona"-obviously it's not legal). 
This rivalry started before the Italian unification. First because the Country works on two level: the north is really industrialized, good transportation system, people earn and spend more. Instead in the south there are not so many industrial cities, less railways stations, and generally the economic conditions are lower than the north (the amount of salary for months that is considered under the level of poverty in the north is 800 euros in the south is 600 euros). Also people are different, have different way to approach to family and friends and different ways to think about society and work . In my opinion these can overcome but there are some problems, the most difficult to solve is mafia, camorra and other criminal organization, that are present in all the Country but have their headquarters in the south.

ImCarlo · Answer

As you can see there are basically two different countries in Italy.

Translation of the pic:
in the upper left -> results of the last election in 2018
in the upper right -> border of Kingdom of the two Sicilies before the Italian unification
in the lower left -> unemployment rate
in the lower right -> people with more than 6 years who read a book in the last 12 months

It's obviously just a simplification but it may help you to understand how many differences we have. It's not like a pain au chocolat/chocolatine thing :D

ImCarlo · Answer

@victorialucenera 
>”at the time of unification, the South was actually more developed and industrialized than the North”

This is just neo-borbonic propaganda. Historians (serious ones, not negationists like Pino Aprile) wrote thousands of pages on this topic. I don’t know why these conspiracy theories are growing so much lately

>”but the winners (savoia dynasty) dismantled all the factories in the South built the Bourbons and brought them to the North”

Statuto Albertino didn’t provide to the king the power to decide on economic matters, at most you have to talk about the government. And among the other things the most influent person of the firsts 30 years was Crispi, not exactly a Northern guy, but still.

And no, South was already underdeveloped, it skipped the Industrial revolution. There were no factories to dismantle, quite the opposite: only some fancy palace for the elite and old “latifondi” with their low qualified and undernourished farmers, and btw this is why Southerns were in the front row to remove the Borboni's dinasty and to welcome Garibaldi. What neo-borbonics always forget is how much their ancestors hated Francesco II.

>“This happened in 1860s so it shouldn't apply to the present situation, unfortunately no ruler until now really cared about the economic development in the South contributing to its decline and to the huge gap with the North”

Negationism, again. I guess Cassa del Mezzogiorno was a Savoia trick too and it never existed, uh? Even the 100 billions that South takes every year from the fiscal surplus of North regions don't exist. It’s all a conspiracy to exterminate the Southerns. Like Fenestrelle (sigh).
Cassa del Mezzogiorno and current policies don’t work because it’s like giving money to a drug addicted hoping that he will stop somehow. I agree that these methods don't work, but you can’t say that nobody cared of the South. Veneto can complain about it since it was at the same level of southern regions 60 years ago and never took any money from Rome (and its results I guess are not a coincidence), but the South is totally different. It's the South which never cared of itself.

ImCarlo · Answer

@victorialucenera The Napoli-Portici which was few kilometers, in the meanwhile there were literally no streets. Campania was kind of developed though, but the rest of the kingdom was literally an under-productive countryside still docked to Middle Age, even without the Tarello's rotation.
And about the railway, at the unification time Piemonte, over an already introduced capitalist economy, a good know-how and international fundings, had half of the railways of the whole peninsula. Just saying.
You can complain about my tone as much as you complain about "the winners", I don't care, but if you write what you wrote someone has to debunk your revisionism.

>"surely you have lived your life in the South like myself and must know well what we're talking about"

Yeah and for the same reason maybe you got varicella when you were a child so you can explain to a virologist how the disease actually works.
Anyway I’m half-Sicilian and I’ve spent there give or take half of my summers since I was born but I’m sure that only 100% Southerns like you can talk about this topic

simonefirullo_ · Answer

Yeah, I don’t know why but who lives in the southern Italy is called “terrone” because they eat a lot and who lives in the northern Italy rarely is called “spendaccione”.

simonefirullo_ · Answer

@Dolcetto oh sorry, I don’t knew it

paok00 · Answer

Go visit north and than south and u will see what's the difference. I can't say anything here Becoz they are going to call me racist.. Desolé

victorialucenera · Answer

@alice_menichetti at the time of unification, the South was actually more developed and industrialized than the North, but the winners (savoia dynasty) dismantled all the factories in the South built the Bourbons and brought them to the North. 
This happened in 1860s so it shouldn't apply to the present situation, unfortunately no ruler until now really cared about the economic development in the South contributing to its decline and to the huge gap with the North. 
This is not enough to answer the question though: there are tons of books talking about the north/south rivalry & economic gap. There is lack of work, infrastructure, more relevant presence of mafiain the South (mafia is also in the north, just much more hidden to the people and more into construction industry etc.); but there is also the still evident presence of different cultural background, broadly speaking, nordic cultures from old France, Austria, and a huge greek-rooted culture in the whole south (look up Magna Graecia; I am of greek ethnicity myself!). Also, the present situation makes people apart with self-pride and hate, with people from the north thinking to be best for their better welfare, blaming people from the south (their laziness, endemic corruption etc.) for their economic disruption; South Italians eventually get blamed to be "North italy's burden", and until recently people from the south were heavily discriminated when they moved to the north to work. 
on the other hand, people from the South suffer from the discrimination and blame people from the north to be hypocrite, cold or to lack culture (I think this last one applies only to big cities like Milan though). south is well known for its food culture, landscapes and nice hot summer days, so its economy is greatly based on tourism: this is what southerners most brag about.
in my opinion, yes, north and south come from very different backgrounds and now internal discrimination seems to have been replaced by discrimination against immigrants, though sometimes still noticeable; but at the end of the day we're all Italians and many cultural aspects are just common from north to south, because we have been living as one country, with national education and mass media, for a while so far. I believe our different cultures should be preserved, still keeping in mind that we are all part of the same country.
when all Italians understand this, hopefully rivalry and discrimination will be over.

victorialucenera · Answer

@alice_menichetti 😊😊😊

victorialucenera · Answer

@ImCarlo this is exactly why I believe that it is a very complex topic, anyway yes, you are right about the poor government from the late Bourbons but you cannot say that there were no industries since the two Sicilies had Italy's first railway, ceramic and weapon factories and that these systems got seriously harmed after unification. I am not doing pro-South propaganda and am not at all neo-borbonic! My point here is that it is just not that simple to put. You are right about the fact that the Cassa doesn't work, over all because of the endemic corruption in the South and in the Italian government itself; but with the "nobody cared" I was not talking about money but about the real will to rebuild economic opportunity and reevaluate the whole area, fight corruption and the local mob:you simply cannot help by only providing money and by doing some activity for the press every now and then. You look more expert than me in regards of South Italy and Italian history, and I respect that; surely you have lived your life in the South like myself and must know well what we're talking about 😊.
Anyway, I think we exposed our arguments using a very different attitude. <<Negationism, again (...) uh?>> I am not your sister, just to let you know. Thank you!

alice_menichetti · Answer

Yes, I don’t know why but who lives in the northern Italy thinks that he’s better than who lives in the southern Italy and who lives in the southern Italy thinks that he’s better than who lives in the northern Italy. Maybe it’s because of north was more industrialized at the time of riunification of Italy in 1861

alice_menichetti · Answer

@victorialucenera thank you!!

precivalejessica · Answer

Yes, it is the consequence of an irregular develop of Italy in the history. The south is less rich than north. People from the south who don't find a job there came to the north. There are also a lot of stereotypes and sometime people of south is discriminate in the north.

emmaapeddio · Answer

yes, actually it's not a very rivality it's  a different of life style 
In the North of our coutry the life is more chaotic and in the South it's less chaotic

sergione · Answer

ragioni storiche e di comportamento in generale. esiste quindi molta differenza

look_at_me · Answer

there are a Lot and i wont Say them cuz i dont finish til tomorrow

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